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From:  Ewout Stam <teraiten@y...>
Date: Sat Feb 16, 2002 8:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Learning Strategies
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>It is a good idea to have a way to check the accuracy of your sound
>spellings. The only problem with the English Oxford dictionary is
>that it is not generally available.
>
>If you don't mind speaking general amerian [GA] there are three
>sources: www.m-w.com [Merriam Webster on-Line]
>
>Carnegie Mellon University
In combination with Rosetta http://www.geocities.com/andy_callaway/ I
convert whole texts to phonetic in order to gain a better insight in
pronunciation.
>Unifon: an apcl and c pEC
>Spanglish: aen appl annd a piech
>Truespel: an apul and u peech
>Kirshenbaum: &n ap@l &nd @ piitS
>SAMPA }n }p@l }nd @ piitS
Erm, isn't a long vowel/consonant (long consonants occur in a few languages)
indicated by a colon? That doubled i suggest a pronunciation like
'peeyeech'.
>> In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the
>pronunciation,
>> so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which
>is the
>> basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English
>(or
>> Received English). American pronunciations would seriously
>confuse the
>> issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.
They indeed confuse. I'm Dutch and at school (and by tv) we hear Recieved (I
call it posh) and American English all the time, and very little regional,
Scots, Irish or other accents. When I'm in England (I have been there a few
times now) it really takes some effort trying to understand those people. A
friend of me often has a Scotsman (a friend of my friend) on the phone, and
they know everything about understandability based on pronunciation. The
Scotsman started talking with a posh accent and miraculously there was no
more need to say 'huh?' on the Dutch end of the line.
The other nice thing about Shavian is that its characters consist of such
simple forms. Writing is a lot less elaborate than in Roman. The question
is, how far can you go before you become dyslexic? Not only does the
Traditional Orthography make people dyslexic, letters which look alike can
be a real pain in the bum too (Look online for Tengwar, from Tolkien's Lord
of the Rings , and see what I mean. It takes only a few minutes to learn,
but confuses so quickly) So, how far can you go with a new writing system?
Ewout
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:27am
Subject: Re: Re: Learning Strategies
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> >> In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the
> >pronunciation,
> >> so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which
> >is the
> >> basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English
> >(or
> >> Received English). American pronunciations would seriously
> >confuse the
> >> issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.
I don't exactly agree. Asking to standardise pronuciation could cause
more of a headache than learning to translate. As an American, for
instance, we say "RO dee oh" while an Austrailian would say "ro DAY oh"
for the word Rodeo. Reading the word, whether spelled by American
pronunciation or by Austrailian pronunciation, I would be able to
translate just like one should be able to do when one speaks with a
Brittish accent, and American accent, or any non-native accent, there
are going to be differences. Who's to say which is correct?
--Star
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From: rico_harrison <rico_harrison@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 8:19am
Subject: history question- other cadidates
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What happened to the other proposed alphabets that were
submitted to the judges? I would like to see them.
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From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:41pm
Subject: Re: history question- other cadidates
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You're probably best off researching that with the University of Reading. They have the archives, as far as I know.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: [shavian] history question- other cadidates
What happened to the other proposed alphabets that were
submitted to the judges? I would like to see them.
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From: JAMES MORGAN <jmorgantx@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:15am
Subject: Newbie
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From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 2:38pm
Subject: Re: Newbie
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helO HX /Jim! welkam t H grMp!
jP mesiJ kEm Qt in H rOman Alfabet - trF salektiN "Ghoti" Az H font t Vz t rFt in /SEvIan - mOst pIpal wil hAv it instYld.
F TiNk V'D dMiN rFt - Just woc Qt wen VziN 'J' (J) - V wont kApital J, Az smYl J iz 'j' (Az in H kulD 'jelO').
Just Qt v kjUDIosatI - hQ did V fFnd Qt abQt His Alfabet?
Yl H best,
/hV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:15 AM
Subject: [shavian] Newbie
Am I dMIN rFt?
jim
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From: JAMES MORGAN <jmorgantx@p...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 4:07am
Subject: RE: Newbie
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bIlIv it P nYt, F Am trFIN tM tIc mF su tM rId. F got interestd in simplifFd spelFN sistems. Tis alfabet wil tE sum getIN Vt tV.
rIggards,
/Jim |
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From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 1:24pm
Subject: Re: RE: Newbie
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trF vizatiN www.shavian.org -
it
kantEnz sum gUD liNks HAt mFt kum in hAndI
Az V get t grips wiH H Alfabet.
R V trFiN t lxn enI uHD "simplafFd speliN" sistamz, P OnlI /SEvIan?
wX it kumz t getiN Vst t H
Alfabet: F'v bIn VziN /SEvIan fP 4 jCz, n kUd rId n rFt wiHQt a
gFd wiHin a fV munTs v stRtiN t lxn. hQevD F'm stil lxniN hQ t rekagnFz wxdz subkonSaslI - F stil hAv t dM a lot v 'trAnzlESan' Az F rId TrM sumTiN in /SEvIan, but fR les HAn wen F fxst stRtad.
if wI pUt asFd H mAtD v lxniN t
rekagnFz wxdz, wen F woz lxniN H rOman Alfabet, it tUk mI mOst v mF
cFld lFf t lxn Yl H vXIas wxdz wiH HX od-bYl speliNz. in H tFm it
tUk mI t lxn t rId+rFt /SEvIan, F hAd lxnt hQ t spel evrI siNgal wxd in
H iNgliS lANgwaJ. HAt Just prMvz hQ rididjalas ritan /iNgliS kurantlI
iz! :)
/hV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:07 AM
Subject: [shavian] RE: Newbie
bIlIv it P nYt, F Am trFIN tM tIc mF su tM rId. F got interestd in simplifFd spelFN sistems. Tis alfabet wil tE sum getIN Vt tV.
rIggards,
/Jim
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From: Usmaak@m... <usmaak@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:15am
Subject:
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hi,
/F hAv a kwik kweStan. wut duz
wun dM wen trFiN t Vz individJMal letxz HAt reprIzent rOmAn
letxz? fP instens, in rOmAn letxz, /F kUd rFt "HTML". wI Yl nO wut HAt mInz, but hQ kUd /F rFt it in /SEvWn?
TANks,
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From: Richard Cutler <cutler@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARYLearning Strategies
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Both the Oxford English Dictionary and the brilliant Oxford Compendium which
pronounces the words for you are available on CD ROM. Richard.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ewout Stam <teraiten@y...>
To: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Learning Strategies
> >It is a good idea to have a way to check the accuracy of your sound
> >spellings. The only problem with the English Oxford dictionary is
> >that it is not generally available.
> >
> >If you don't mind speaking general amerian [GA] there are three
> >sources: www.m-w.com [Merriam Webster on-Line]
> >
> >Carnegie Mellon University
>
>
> In combination with Rosetta http://www.geocities.com/andy_callaway/ I
> convert whole texts to phonetic in order to gain a better insight in
> pronunciation.
>
> >Unifon: an apcl and c pEC
> >Spanglish: aen appl annd a piech
> >Truespel: an apul and u peech
> >Kirshenbaum: &n ap@l &nd @ piitS
> >SAMPA }n }p@l }nd @ piitS
>
> Erm, isn't a long vowel/consonant (long consonants occur in a few
languages)
> indicated by a colon? That doubled i suggest a pronunciation like
> 'peeyeech'.
>
> >> In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the
> >pronunciation,
> >> so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which
> >is the
> >> basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English
> >(or
> >> Received English). American pronunciations would seriously
> >confuse the
> >> issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.
>
>
> They indeed confuse. I'm Dutch and at school (and by tv) we hear Recieved
(I
> call it posh) and American English all the time, and very little regional,
> Scots, Irish or other accents. When I'm in England (I have been there a
few
> times now) it really takes some effort trying to understand those people.
A
> friend of me often has a Scotsman (a friend of my friend) on the phone,
and
> they know everything about understandability based on pronunciation. The
> Scotsman started talking with a posh accent and miraculously there was no
> more need to say 'huh?' on the Dutch end of the line.
>
> The other nice thing about Shavian is that its characters consist of such
> simple forms. Writing is a lot less elaborate than in Roman. The question
> is, how far can you go before you become dyslexic? Not only does the
> Traditional Orthography make people dyslexic, letters which look alike can
> be a real pain in the bum too (Look online for Tengwar, from Tolkien's
Lord
> of the Rings , and see what I mean. It takes only a few minutes to learn,
> but confuses so quickly) So, how far can you go with a new writing system?
>
> Ewout
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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From: Richard Cutler <cutler@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Learning Strategies
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Dear Steve, The Oxford English Dictionary is available on CD Rom and so is
the brilliant Oxford Compendium which contains a pretty comprehensive
dictionary which PRONOUNCES the words for you in a clear English voice. It
also embraces a thesaurus and The Oxford Book of Quotations.
I agree that the advantage of Shavian phonetics is to allow all varieties
of pronunciation but one must have a standard if one is to teach English by
using the 48 symbols under the word written in the Roman alphabet.
Regards, Richard Cutler
----- Original MessageFrom: stbett <stbett@y...>
To: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:44 AM
Subject: [shavian] Re: Learning Strategies
> It is a good idea to have a way to check the accuracy of your sound
> spellings. The only problem with the English Oxford dictionary is
> that it is not generally available.
>
> If you don't mind speaking general amerian [GA] there are three
> sources: www.m-w.com [Merriam Webster on-Line]
>
> Carnegie Mellon University
> You can link to it from
> http://www.unifon.org/q-ref.html
>
> Foreignword.com
> http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm
>
> I prefer an ascii-ipa for
>
> --- In shavian@y..., "richardcutler" <cutler@i...> wrote:
> > Greetings Vir,
> > The Shavian Alphabet interests me as a teaching tool. The method I
> am
> > developing might help your approach to learning it.
> > I believe in teaching the SOUND to the learner in combination with
> the
> > SYMBOL. Then I write the Shavian symbols under the word printed
> in the
> > English Alphabet. This has the added advantage of allowing the
> learner to
> > 'photograph' the irregular and illogical spellings of the English
> words
> > printed above the Shavian sound symbols, that sound alike but are
> spelled
> > differently. (For example: sleight and bite; sleigh and slay)
> > As I am not interested in Shavian as a means for writing fast or
> saving
> > space, I do not use the suggested abbreviations, since anyone
> learning
> > English needs to know that one says An Apple and A Peach.
> Abbreviations do
> > not make the distinction between A and AN or THE before a
> consonant and THE
> > (pronounced thee) before a vowel.
>
> Unifon: an apcl and c pEC
> Spanglish: aen appl annd a piech
> Truespel: an apul and u peech
> Kirshenbaum: &n ap@l &nd @ piitS
> SAMPA }n }p@l }nd @ piitS
>
>
>
> > In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the
> pronunciation,
> > so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which
> is the
> > basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English
> (or
> > Received English). American pronunciations would seriously
> confuse the
> > issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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| 1218 |
From: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:45am
Subject: New file uploaded to shavian
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From: skilbo11834 <usmaak@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:32am
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to shavian
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Hello,
I just took a look at this file, and I am having problems with it.
Specifically, there are lots of places where Quikscript should be
showing, but Roman characters are showing instead. I took a look at
the source, and this is specifically happening with the following
font tag...
[font face="Kingsley"]
Of course, substitute for the brackets...
Any idea? I did take the file and convert all those Kingsleys over
to Jerome, which is the only font for Quikscript that I have been
able to find.
Thanks
--- In shavian@y..., shavian@y... wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the shavian
> group.
>
> File : /Second Shaw or Quickscript Alphabet/Second
Shaw.htm
> Uploaded by : frimmin <frimmin@e...>
> Description :
>
> You can access this file at the URL
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/files/Second%20Shaw%20or%
20Quickscript%20Alphabet/Second%20Shaw.htm
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
>
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
> Regards,
>
> frimmin <frimmin@e...>
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From: skilbo11834 <usmaak@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 0:26am
Subject: What happened to this site?
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Hi,
I just tried to get to the following site, but I can't get there...
http://www.shavian.f2s.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
Does anyone know what happened to it? My provider just flipflopped
our routing, and I am wondering if something happened to this site,
or if my new routing is messed up.
Thanks
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From: geoflyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 3:16am
Subject: Re: What happened to this site?
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It was working earlier today. It does not work now for me either. I
hope it is a temporary problem. Time will make all clear.
Rick
--- In shavian@y..., "skilbo11834" <usmaak@a...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just tried to get to the following site, but I can't get there...
>
> http://www.shavian.f2s.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
>
> Does anyone know what happened to it? My provider just flipflopped
> our routing, and I am wondering if something happened to this site,
> or if my new routing is messed up.
>
> Thanks
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From: Usmaak@m... <usmaak@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 4:42am
Subject: Re: Re: What happened to this site?
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jes, but F mis mF nFtlI /SEvWn pOstiNz. F nO HAt V nO wut F mIn. ;)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:16 PM
Subject: [shavian] Re: What happened to this site?
It was working earlier today. It does not work now for me either. I
hope it is a temporary problem. Time will make all clear.
Rick
--- In shavian@y..., "skilbo11834" <usmaak@a...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just tried to get to the following site, but I can't get there...
>
> http://www.shavian.f2s.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
>
> Does anyone know what happened to it? My provider just flipflopped
> our routing, and I am wondering if something happened to this site,
> or if my new routing is messed up.
>
> Thanks
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From: x0127132 <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 6:56pm
Subject: RE: Re: What happened to this site?
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??!!?!?!?
I have NO idea what has suddenly happened to this site. It looks as if F2S
has terminated my webspace, and I'm not sure why. I'll check it out. It might
involve a change in address, if they've deleted the website - I'll let you
know what the new address is if that is so.
One very angry Hugh
>===== Original Message From shavian@yahoogroups.com =====
>jes, but F mis mF nFtlI /SEvWn pOstiNz. F nO HAt V nO wut F mIn. ;)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: geoflyfisher
> To: shavian@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:16 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: What happened to this site?
>
>
> It was working earlier today. It does not work now for me either. I
> hope it is a temporary problem. Time will make all clear.
>
> Rick
> --- In shavian@y..., "skilbo11834" <usmaak@a...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just tried to get to the following site, but I can't get there...
> >
> > http://www.shavian.f2s.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
> >
> > Does anyone know what happened to it? My provider just flipflopped
> > our routing, and I am wondering if something happened to this site,
> > or if my new routing is messed up.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
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From: Ewout Stam <teraiten@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 7:03pm
Subject: Typing Shavian has never been easier!
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In the Quickscript group on http://groups.yahoo.com/Read_Alphabet
we have been discussing about a keyboard driver that would simplify
typing in Quickscript, without having to use that shift-key. Take a
look at the discussions through the website under the subject 'Macbeth'.
Please
don't ignore this, this is rather revolutionary stuff for the Shavian
and Quickscript Computer world! Give it a look. I don't have much time
to explain everything, but I'm sure you can figure it out yourself, if
not, others may want to help.
Anyway, here is the message I posted to the Quickscipt group (please install the Jerome Font first):
Ok, cuz no-one has tried to create a driver
yet, I have skipped my homework and created this. It is far from
perfect, and could use some fixes. You only need the normal Jerome font
and www.tavultesoft.com 's Keyman, the Win 3.11 version, which does work under win '95+ . I dunno about other operating systems. http://www.tavultesoft.com/keyman/downloads/keyman32.exe is the url of the program.
You will type in a roman reform scheme, based on Newromaji (it's not really 100% real Newromaji, but anyway, it works)
Take a look into the .kmn file with a text editor to get an idea how it works.
His iz an
egzympal tekst F tFpt wiH H kIbYrd-drFvD F hAve Jast mEd. it kAn stil
Vz sam fiksiN, bat At lIst its redi fYr sam eksperimentiN.
I have never typed so fast in QS. I'm not even a fluent reader/writer in kwikskript, but this is really going to be interesting.
This file can use some fixing, but you can also
come up with a different scheme of roman writing that gets converted
into QS. Perhaps somebody can create a more efficient scheme. I have
put c under c, x under S, u under M and q under N because those sounds occur quite often and a digraph would not be needed, 'cuz there were still some letters left.
AND perhaps we will one day have a driver that
automatically converts text to proper senior Quickscript without the
user actually paying attention to it.
I have posted a similar message to the Shavian group.
/EvQt |
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From: Flyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 10:12pm
Subject: Shavian Board's Disappearance
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/hV,
ehnI nMz on H /SEvIan bOrd?
I looked up the Ikonboard program on the web and saw that it was a program that runs on a server.
Unfortunately, I do not have access to a server! All this high-speed access and I am forbidden to
host anything on the web!
For all,
The following is in Junior.ttf, a form of
Quickscript whose font can be downloaded from the Read_Alpahbet
fonts. It was adapted from the nice Jerome font so that the
characters do not touch. This makes it easier for me to read the
Quickscript.
F ylO sY H nU listiN fOr a cOrdiN kIbOrd!
I will need some directions to see how that works!
Rick <><
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From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:17am
Subject: Re: Shavian Board's Disappearance
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Grik,
unfPcanatlI F woz rFt, H pravFdD v H webspEs F woz VziN hAz stopt its frI sxvis. >:(
His wil mIn F nId t fFnd anuHD frI webspEs pravFdD HAt alQz H Vs v CGI skriptiN; F wUd Vz Gb.t. GintDnet, mF pxsanal websFt hOst, but HE dM not alQ suc skriptiN.
if V nO v enI suc pravFdDz, plIz let mI nO, Az F hAv not fQnd enITiN jet! F wil kIp lUkiN HO.
GhV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [shavian] Shavian Board's Disappearance
/hV,
ehnI nMz on H /SEvIan bOrd?
I looked up the Ikonboard program on the web and saw that it was a program that runs on a server.
Unfortunately, I do not have access to a server! All this high-speed access and I am forbidden to
host anything on the web!
For all,
The following is in Junior.ttf, a form of
Quickscript whose font can be downloaded from the Read_Alpahbet
fonts. It was adapted from the nice Jerome font so that the
characters do not touch. This makes it easier for me to read the
Quickscript.
F ylO sY H nU listiN fOr a cOrdiN kIbOrd!
I will need some directions to see how that works!
Rick <><
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From: Flyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 2:52am
Subject: Re: Shavian Board's Disappearance
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TAnks /HV. F nO v nan. F hOp V kAn fFnd wan.
bF H wE, hAv V lUkt At H /kwikskript kIbOrd drFvx uplOdid His wIkend? E trFd tM figjx it yt wiTyt sakses.
/rik ......<>< |
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From: usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:49am
Subject: Re: Shavian Board's Disappearance
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F Am syrI t hIr HAt, /hV.
unfPcanetlI, F nO v nO sFts HAt fit jP deskripSan, but F wil lUk arQnd
n let V nO if F fFnd AnITiN. TANks fP hAviN it up n runiN wFl V
kUd. it wuz fun.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian Board's Disappearance
Grik,
unfPcanatlI F woz rFt, H pravFdD v H webspEs F woz VziN hAz stopt its frI sxvis. >:(
His wil mIn F nId t fFnd anuHD frI webspEs pravFdD HAt alQz H Vs v CGI skriptiN; F wUd Vz Gb.t. GintDnet, mF pxsanal websFt hOst, but HE dM not alQ suc skriptiN.
if V nO v enI suc pravFdDz, plIz let mI nO, Az F hAv not fQnd enITiN jet! F wil kIp lUkiN HO.
GhV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [shavian] Shavian Board's Disappearance
/hV,
ehnI nMz on H /SEvIan bOrd?
I looked up the Ikonboard program on the web and saw that it was a program that runs on a server.
Unfortunately, I do not have access to a server! All this high-speed access and I am forbidden to
host anything on the web!
For all,
The following is in Junior.ttf, a form of
Quickscript whose font can be downloaded from the Read_Alpahbet
fonts. It was adapted from the nice Jerome font so that the
characters do not touch. This makes it easier for me to read the
Quickscript.
F ylO sY H nU listiN fOr a cOrdiN kIbOrd!
I will need some directions to see how that works!
Rick <><
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From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 5:10am
Subject: Re: Shavian Board's Disappearance
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nO F hAvnt trFd H /kwikskript drFvD -
F'm not muc v a fAn v /kwikskript - but F'l trF t fFnd tFm t hAv a lUk
At it nunHales. it mFt bI v Vs t us /SEvIanz az wel.
H verI fAkt HAt HX R tM 'grMps' At Yl disapqnts mI verI muc indId...
bF H wE - kUd V dM mI a fEvD - kUd V tel mI hQ V wUd rFt H folOiN sentans:
"Foreword:
The Restauranteur had to perfect his kitchen, as it
could not go forward without a permit. He would not
permit any old pervert trying to
pervert the perfect nature of his merry little daughter Mary."
strEnJ sentans F nO, but it mEks sens t mI! :) TANks...
GhV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian Board's Disappearance
TAnks /HV. F nO v nan. F hOp V kAn fFnd wan.
bF H wE, hAv V lUkt At H /kwikskript kIbOrd drFvx uplOdid His wIkend? E trFd tM figjx it yt wiTyt sakses.
/rik ......<><
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From: Flyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:47pm
Subject: Falling Into A Trap!
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I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here goes:
Foreword: The Restauranteur had to
perfect his kitchen, as it could not go forward without a
permit. He would not permit any old pervert trying
to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little daughter
Mary.
My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many of the r ligatures as I can)
fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz
kicin, Az it kUd not gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit
enI Old parvart trFiN tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar
/mErI.
bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)
/rik
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From: usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:44am
Subject: Re: Falling Into A Trap!
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Ohh, I wanna try too!!
fPwxd: H /restrYntIr hAd t pxfekt hiz
kitcen, Az it kUd not gO fPwRd wiTQt a pxmit. hI wUd not pxmit
enI Old pxvxt trFiN t pxvxt H pxfekt nEtcx v hiz merI lital dYtx /mArI.
I am from near Boston, but have lived near Chicago for ten years now. What do you think?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here goes:
Foreword: The Restauranteur had to
perfect his kitchen, as it could not go forward without a
permit. He would not permit any old pervert trying
to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little daughter
Mary.
My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many of the r ligatures as I can)
fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz
kicin, Az it kUd not gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit
enI Old parvart trFiN tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar
/mErI.
bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)
/rik
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From: Ewout Stam <teraiten@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 6:33pm
Subject: Re: Typing Shavian has never been easier!
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Ok, some stuff went
terribly wrong. The attachment was empty. I have recently posted a new
message to the group. If you are not a member, you can sign up in no
time (for you are already a Shavian member) and read the message
through the website.
F hAv nO FdW, bat it mFt Az
wel wYrk wiH SEvWn, YlHO F dYnt hAv Ani sapYrt bilt in tM dIl wiH H
ligatVrz. samwyn mast bI intDestid Inaf tM tEk a lUk And fiks H
problemz.
ranembD, His iz a test vDSan, And stil hAs Inaf bagz HAt nId fiksiN.
/EvQt stym.
In the Quickscript group on http://groups.yahoo.com/Read_Alphabet
we have been discussing about a keyboard driver that would simplify
typing in Quickscript, without having to use that shift-key. Take a
look at the discussions through the website under the subject 'Macbeth'.
Please
don't ignore this, this is rather revolutionary stuff for the Shavian
and Quickscript Computer world! Give it a look. I don't have much time
to explain everything, but I'm sure you can figure it out yourself, if
not, others may want to help.
Anyway, here is the message I posted to the Quickscipt group (please install the Jerome Font first):
Ok, cuz no-one has tried to create a driver
yet, I have skipped my homework and created this. It is far from
perfect, and could use some fixes. You only need the normal Jerome font
and www.tavultesoft.com 's Keyman, the Win 3.11 version, which does work under win '95+ . I dunno about other operating systems. http://www.tavultesoft.com/keyman/downloads/keyman32.exe is the url of the program.
You will type in a roman reform scheme, based on Newromaji (it's not really 100% real Newromaji, but anyway, it works)
Take a look into the .kmn file with a text editor to get an idea how it works.
His iz an egzympal tekst F tFpt wiH H
kIbYrd-drFvD F hAve Jast mEd. it kAn stil Vz sam fiksiN, bat At lIst
its redi fYr sam eksperimentiN.
I have never typed so fast in QS. I'm not even a fluent reader/writer in kwikskript, but this is really going to be interesting.
This file can use some fixing, but you can also
come up with a different scheme of roman writing that gets converted
into QS. Perhaps somebody can create a more efficient scheme. I have
put c under c, x under S, u under M and q under N because those sounds occur quite often and a digraph would not be needed, 'cuz there were still some letters left.
AND perhaps we will one day have a driver that
automatically converts text to proper senior Quickscript without the
user actually paying attention to it.
I have posted a similar message to the Shavian group.
/EvQt
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From: geoflyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 0:00am
Subject: New text uploaded
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I have been having fun with the keyboard driver Ewout told us about.
It helps me to type faster. I have uploaded the first chapter of a
favorite book to the files/texts part of the board. It is called
Holes Ch 1.
Ewout and I are going separate ways about the contents of the
driver. He is favoring a newromanji keyboard. I am just modifying
the shavian keyboard so that it seems more natural to me for quickly
typing. It also reduces the number of capital letters
significantly.
The mapping I am experimenting with includes the following:
"s" + "h" > "S"
"n" + "g" > "N"
"z" + "z" > "Z"
"j" > "J"
"y" > "j"
"a" + "a" > "A"
"o" + "o" > "U"
"o" + "w" > "Q"
"a" + "h" > "y"
"e" + "a" > "I"
"a" + "i" > "E"
"I" > "F"
"o" + "u" > "M"
"o" + "y" > "q"
"a" + "w" > "Y"
"o" + "r" > "P"
"e" + "r" > "x"
"U" > "V"
But the good news about the driver is that you can modify it anyway
you like for your own tastes and preferences.
I plan to get a page out on the web describing how this can be done
in the next couple weeks - but after Thesis and finals.
Again, please take a look at the "Holes" text. I am open to lots of
criticism on my spelling methods. They take a little from
quickscript and mostly are from shavian.
Rick
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From: Usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 1:58am
Subject: Re: Typing Shavian has never been easier!
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F hAv not trFd it jet, but F plAn on giviN it a trF His wIkend. F Am lUkiN fPwRd t it, HO F dOnt mFnd tFpiN nPmalI.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Typing Shavian has never been easier!
Ok, some stuff went
terribly wrong. The attachment was empty. I have recently posted a new
message to the group. If you are not a member, you can sign up in no
time (for you are already a Shavian member) and read the message
through the website.
F hAv nO FdW, bat it mFt Az
wel wYrk wiH SEvWn, YlHO F dYnt hAv Ani sapYrt bilt in tM dIl wiH H
ligatVrz. samwyn mast bI intDestid Inaf tM tEk a lUk And fiks H
problemz.
ranembD, His iz a test vDSan, And stil hAs Inaf bagz HAt nId fiksiN.
/EvQt stym.
In the Quickscript group on http://groups.yahoo.com/Read_Alphabet
we have been discussing about a keyboard driver that would simplify
typing in Quickscript, without having to use that shift-key. Take a
look at the discussions through the website under the subject 'Macbeth'.
Please
don't ignore this, this is rather revolutionary stuff for the Shavian
and Quickscript Computer world! Give it a look. I don't have much time
to explain everything, but I'm sure you can figure it out yourself, if
not, others may want to help.
Anyway, here is the message I posted to the Quickscipt group (please install the Jerome Font first):
Ok, cuz no-one has tried to create a driver
yet, I have skipped my homework and created this. It is far from
perfect, and could use some fixes. You only need the normal Jerome font
and www.tavultesoft.com 's Keyman, the Win 3.11 version, which does work under win '95+ . I dunno about other operating systems. http://www.tavultesoft.com/keyman/downloads/keyman32.exe is the url of the program.
You will type in a roman reform scheme, based on Newromaji (it's not really 100% real Newromaji, but anyway, it works)
Take a look into the .kmn file with a text editor to get an idea how it works.
His iz an egzympal tekst F tFpt wiH H
kIbYrd-drFvD F hAve Jast mEd. it kAn stil Vz sam fiksiN, bat At lIst
its redi fYr sam eksperimentiN.
I have never typed so fast in QS. I'm not even a fluent reader/writer in kwikskript, but this is really going to be interesting.
This file can use some fixing, but you can also
come up with a different scheme of roman writing that gets converted
into QS. Perhaps somebody can create a more efficient scheme. I have
put c under c, x under S, u under M and q under N because those sounds occur quite often and a digraph would not be needed, 'cuz there were still some letters left.
AND perhaps we will one day have a driver that
automatically converts text to proper senior Quickscript without the
user actually paying attention to it.
I have posted a similar message to the Shavian group.
/EvQt
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 3:21am
Subject: Re: New text uploaded
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I think if someone could come up with a way of typing the individual
sounds like "t,h" for thoth (thigh) and "t,h,e" for they, it would help
roman alphabet users to both think and read in shavian as they type.
hmm, maybe what we need is a forty key keyboard. :)
Star the lurker
--- geoflyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...> wrote:
> I have been having fun with the keyboard driver Ewout told us about.
>
> It helps me to type faster. I have uploaded the first chapter of a
> favorite book to the files/texts part of the board. It is called
> Holes Ch 1.
>
> Ewout and I are going separate ways about the contents of the
> driver. He is favoring a newromanji keyboard. I am just modifying
> the shavian keyboard so that it seems more natural to me for quickly
> typing. It also reduces the number of capital letters
> significantly.
>
> The mapping I am experimenting with includes the following:
>
> "s" + "h" > "S"
> "n" + "g" > "N"
> "z" + "z" > "Z"
> "j" > "J"
> "y" > "j"
> "a" + "a" > "A"
> "o" + "o" > "U"
> "o" + "w" > "Q"
> "a" + "h" > "y"
> "e" + "a" > "I"
> "a" + "i" > "E"
> "I" > "F"
> "o" + "u" > "M"
> "o" + "y" > "q"
> "a" + "w" > "Y"
> "o" + "r" > "P"
> "e" + "r" > "x"
> "U" > "V"
>
> But the good news about the driver is that you can modify it anyway
> you like for your own tastes and preferences.
>
> I plan to get a page out on the web describing how this can be done
> in the next couple weeks - but after Thesis and finals.
>
> Again, please take a look at the "Holes" text. I am open to lots of
> criticism on my spelling methods. They take a little from
> quickscript and mostly are from shavian.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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From: geoflyfisher <geoflyfisher@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 4:16pm
Subject: Some Shavian and Font Resources
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I have written a short page of Shavian/Quickscript resources
including directions on how to upload fonts.
Eventually it will show how to load the
experimental keyboard drivers we have been talking about on the
Shavian and Quickscript boards.
The keyboard mapping programs use chording of the letters.
Ewout Stam's keyboard is organized according to the concepts of
NewRomaji, so that the most used characters in English use only one
keystroke.
I am working on a keyboard that transliterates some of the
capitalized letters to two letter cords that are easy for me to
remember.
A couple days ago I said that these resources could be downloaded
from my site. When I tested it, I could not download. I will create
a zipped version which I hope will download in the next week.
Have fun with it.
http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/shavianindex.htm
Rick
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