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From:  teraiten <teraiten@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:26am
Subject: Quickscript website now complete
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Hi,
Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should work
now.
The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made. Please
take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian too
(as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too different). If
not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
minutes of work.
Here is the URL:
http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
/EvQt stym
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From: skilbo11834 <usmaak@a...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:18am
Subject: Re: Quickscript website now complete
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Nice site. I have to ask though. Why does your site try to install
Gator on my machine when I go to it?
--- In shavian@y..., "teraiten" <teraiten@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should
work
> now.
>
> The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made.
Please
> take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian
too
> (as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too different).
If
> not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
> minutes of work.
>
> Here is the URL:
>
> http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
>
> /EvQt stym
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From: Teraiten Sovo <teraiten@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:17am
Subject: Re: Re: Quickscript website now complete
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--- skilbo11834 <usmaak@a...> wrote: > Nice site. I have
to ask though. Why does your site try to
> install
> Gator on my machine when I go to it?
I don't know. I never get such messages or banners. Then again, I use
old software, such as Netscape 4.7 or IE 4.
I didn't know .cjb.net had banners. Never see them. But I also use a
banner-blocker. But I never saw banners before that.
It must be somewhere in your IE settings that allow execution of
certain files. (so called 'certificates'). Once you (or someone else)
allows a certain certificate, IE will grant all further certificates
like it. So that must also be why it tries to install Gator. I don't
think good software would just execute programs you didn't ask for.
You could try and check your settings.
/EvQt stym
>
> --- In shavian@y..., "teraiten" <teraiten@y...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should
>
> work
> > now.
> >
> > The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made.
> Please
> > take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian
> too
> > (as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too
> different).
> If
> > not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
> > minutes of work.
> >
> > Here is the URL:
> >
> > http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
> >
> > /EvQt stym
>
>
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From: usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Quickscript website now complete
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I'll check, but I'm confident my
settings are fine. I am very protective of my machine. I
run Ad-Aware a few times a week to make sure nothing has snuck
by. This was not a banner, but a message asking that Gator be
allowed to install on my machine. I said no, of course. The
only time I have ever seen the message before was when intalling
software. I always say no, and then run Ad-Aware to be certain
that it didn't get installed anyway.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Quickscript website now complete
--- skilbo11834 <usmaak@ameritech.net> wrote: > Nice site. I have
to ask though. Why does your site try to
> install
> Gator on my machine when I go to it?
I don't know. I never get such messages or banners. Then again, I use
old software, such as Netscape 4.7 or IE 4.
I didn't know .cjb.net had banners. Never see them. But I also use a
banner-blocker. But I never saw banners before that.
It must be somewhere in your IE settings that allow execution of
certain files. (so called 'certificates'). Once you (or someone else)
allows a certain certificate, IE will grant all further certificates
like it. So that must also be why it tries to install Gator. I don't
think good software would just execute programs you didn't ask for.
You could try and check your settings.
/EvQt stym
>
> --- In shavian@y..., "teraiten" wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should
>
> work
> > now.
> >
> > The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made.
> Please
> > take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian
> too
> > (as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too
> different).
> If
> > not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
> > minutes of work.
> >
> > Here is the URL:
> >
> > http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
> >
> > /EvQt stym
>
>
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| 1336 |
From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:30pm
Subject: Chat programs
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Hi there all,
Do any of you use chat programs (MSN Messenger, AOL, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, etc.)? I think it would be interesting to chat real-time in Shavian.
Anyone interested?
Hugh |
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| 1337 |
From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:33pm
Subject: Uh, hello?
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| 1338 |
From: Ewout Stam <teraiten@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:35pm
Subject: shawalphabet.com , is it really shavian?
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Hi,
I recently visited http://www.shawalphabet.com/ , having seen it on
shavian.org . Is it really about shavian? I see Shavianesque letters, but
also some completely new characters. And I can't get any further, for I'm
asked a password I don't have
Can anybody shed some light on this subject?
Ewout
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| 1339 |
From: usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:34am
Subject: Re: shawalphabet.com , is it really shavian?
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I'm curious too. Last time I
checked, that page wasn't anywhere near complete. It should be
interesting to see it when it's done.
I think his idea is to somehow reform the Shavian alphabet as we know it.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:35 PM
Subject: [shavian] shawalphabet.com , is it really shavian?
Hi,
I recently visited http://www.shawalphabet.com/ , having seen it on
shavian.org . Is it really about shavian? I see Shavianesque letters, but
also some completely new characters. And I can't get any further, for I'm
asked a password I don't have
Can anybody shed some light on this subject?
Ewout
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| 1340 |
From: nerd525 <spizzgat@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 0:43pm
Subject: Re: shawalphabet.com , is it really shavian?
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--- In shavian@y..., "usmaak" <usmaak@a...> wrote:
> I think his idea is to somehow reform the Shavian alphabet as we
know it.
If that's the case, I don't think it's very efficient, as it seems to
contain meticulous and unnecessarily complex symbols like arrows and
spirals which are handled by simple curves and lines in traditional
Shavian.
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| 1341 |
From: nerd525 <spizzgat@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Falling Into A Trap!
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--- In shavian@y..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> There really has never been a 200 symbol alphabet to include all of
the
> strange sounds the human voice can make, nore is there really a
reason
> to create one.
Well, there is the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) which is
used by linguists to transcribe the various sounds different
languages have (including those fancy clicks and pops found in
southern African languages :), but it's not intended for use by the
general public.
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| 1342 |
From: rubik67 <rubik67@y...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:20am
Subject: Questions, and a proposal.
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I just discovered Shavian writing on the 18th, and by the 20th I was
so royally pissed with standard English spelling I pretty much
resolved right then and there to bring about the reformation that
Shaw wanted, even if I had to do it solo. However, I have a couple of
questions about the alphabet. First of all, what's the difference in
pronunciation between "o" (short), "ah", and "awe"? Second, how do
you represent the nasal "i" sound in "ing"? It's somewhere between
"ih" and "ee", but it doesn't seem to have any representation
anywhere.
Now for the proposal: As cool as the Shavian alphabet is, there
appears to be one major flaw in it... the letter "x", which is
pronounced either "ks" or "gz", depending on context. Shavian,
unfortunately, doesn't have any similar compound, so there are
occasional words which actually expand in Shavian (for
example, "exit", "maxim", etc). To correct this, I suggest adding a
couple of new characters to the standard set, which are a
combination of the "k" and "s" characters for the unvoiced x, and a
combination of "g" and "s" for the voiced version. To create these
new characters, simply add the top of the "s" character to the "k"
character and the bottom of the "s" to the "g" character. The little
loop extension shouldn't be any longer than half the length of the
top third of the Shavian letter space to prevent blending and
potential confusion (ie. xi with kp and ix with bg). This will
eliminate the one and only advantage that standard spelling has over
Shavian.
As for shawalphabet.com's "Shavian", it seems to violate at least two
of Shaw's proposed rules (ie. pleasant to look at, and everything
being written with a single stroke), so I seriously doubt it can be
considered real Shavian. For now, I'm definitely sticking with the
alphabet provided in Androcles. L8r.
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| 1343 |
From: usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:45am
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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You might want to take a look at the
Read_Alphabet group here at Yahoo. It is about the Quickscript
method of writing. It has optional characters that represent the
sounds that Shavian does not have single characters for. It is
pretty interesting stuff.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:20 PM
Subject: [shavian] Questions, and a proposal.
I just discovered Shavian writing on the 18th, and by the 20th I was
so royally pissed with standard English spelling I pretty much
resolved right then and there to bring about the reformation that
Shaw wanted, even if I had to do it solo. However, I have a couple of
questions about the alphabet. First of all, what's the difference in
pronunciation between "o" (short), "ah", and "awe"? Second, how do
you represent the nasal "i" sound in "ing"? It's somewhere between
"ih" and "ee", but it doesn't seem to have any representation
anywhere.
Now for the proposal: As cool as the Shavian alphabet is, there
appears to be one major flaw in it... the letter "x", which is
pronounced either "ks" or "gz", depending on context. Shavian,
unfortunately, doesn't have any similar compound, so there are
occasional words which actually expand in Shavian (for
example, "exit", "maxim", etc). To correct this, I suggest adding a
couple of new characters to the standard set, which are a
combination of the "k" and "s" characters for the unvoiced x, and a
combination of "g" and "s" for the voiced version. To create these
new characters, simply add the top of the "s" character to the "k"
character and the bottom of the "s" to the "g" character. The little
loop extension shouldn't be any longer than half the length of the
top third of the Shavian letter space to prevent blending and
potential confusion (ie. xi with kp and ix with bg). This will
eliminate the one and only advantage that standard spelling has over
Shavian.
As for shawalphabet.com's "Shavian", it seems to violate at least two
of Shaw's proposed rules (ie. pleasant to look at, and everything
being written with a single stroke), so I seriously doubt it can be
considered real Shavian. For now, I'm definitely sticking with the
alphabet provided in Androcles. L8r.
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From: usmaak <usmaak@a...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:48am
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Questions, and a proposal.
You might want to take a look at the
Read_Alphabet group here at Yahoo. It is about the Quickscript
method of writing. It has optional characters that represent the
sounds that Shavian does not have single characters for. It is
pretty interesting stuff.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:20 PM
Subject: [shavian] Questions, and a proposal.
I just discovered Shavian writing on the 18th, and by the 20th I was
so royally pissed with standard English spelling I pretty much
resolved right then and there to bring about the reformation that
Shaw wanted, even if I had to do it solo. However, I have a couple of
questions about the alphabet. First of all, what's the difference in
pronunciation between "o" (short), "ah", and "awe"? Second, how do
you represent the nasal "i" sound in "ing"? It's somewhere between
"ih" and "ee", but it doesn't seem to have any representation
anywhere.
Now for the proposal: As cool as the Shavian alphabet is, there
appears to be one major flaw in it... the letter "x", which is
pronounced either "ks" or "gz", depending on context. Shavian,
unfortunately, doesn't have any similar compound, so there are
occasional words which actually expand in Shavian (for
example, "exit", "maxim", etc). To correct this, I suggest adding a
couple of new characters to the standard set, which are a
combination of the "k" and "s" characters for the unvoiced x, and a
combination of "g" and "s" for the voiced version. To create these
new characters, simply add the top of the "s" character to the "k"
character and the bottom of the "s" to the "g" character. The little
loop extension shouldn't be any longer than half the length of the
top third of the Shavian letter space to prevent blending and
potential confusion (ie. xi with kp and ix with bg). This will
eliminate the one and only advantage that standard spelling has over
Shavian.
As for shawalphabet.com's "Shavian", it seems to violate at least two
of Shaw's proposed rules (ie. pleasant to look at, and everything
being written with a single stroke), so I seriously doubt it can be
considered real Shavian. For now, I'm definitely sticking with the
alphabet provided in Androcles. L8r.
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From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:31am
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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On 1 May 02, at 0:20, rubik67 wrote:
> First of all, what's the difference in pronunciation between "o"
> (short), "ah", and "awe"?
It depends on your dialect ;) Shavian is based on an accent very close
to British RP (Received Pronunciation), which makes a distinction
between those three vowels; however, many (most?) American dialects do
not have this distinction (if I remember correctly, they usually merge
"short o" with one of the other two). Anyway, here are some example
words, in case it's any help:
"short o": lock, pot, dog, Bob, astonish, gone, bother, on, cough,
bomb, cloth, comma, cot, doll, often, sausage (first syllable).
"ah": father, grass, calm, path, pass, castle, master, fast, aunt,
balm, almond, clerk, half, laugh, vase (pronounced "vahz", not
"vayce").
"awe": awe, law, bought, caught, brought, prawn, all, call, bald,
drawl, taunt.
Notice the distinctions bomb/balm, cot/caught, grass/lass ("lass" has
the "a" of "hat, bat, tan, ran, ash"), doll/drawl.
> Second, how do you represent the nasal "i" sound in "ing"? It's
> somewhere between "ih" and "ee", but it doesn't seem to have any
> representation anywhere.
_Androcles_ uses short "ih" for that sound. I'd say, though, that as
long as you are consistant, you can probably use either -- and
similarly for final -y in words such as "city, briefly, really" and so
on; _Androcles_ again uses short "ih" but some people feel that sound
is closer to "ee".
Cheers,
Philip
--
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From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 11:58am
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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On 1 May 02, at 11:31, Philip Newton wrote:
> "ah": father, grass, calm, path, pass, castle, master, fast, aunt,
> balm, almond, clerk, half, laugh, vase (pronounced "vahz", not
> "vayce").
And also "dance".
Cheers,
Philip
--
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From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:29am
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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"ah": father, grass, calm, path, pass, castle, master, fast, aunt, balm,
almond, clerk, half, laugh, vase (pronounced "vahz", not "vayce"). - And also
"dance".
I knew fawthuh and lawf and daunce, but not grawss or fawst or cawstle. Guess
I don't watch enough of those pippy-poo British mystery movies my wife loves.
Speakers of British Received Pronunciation need to understand that North
American speakers need to look these words up in a British (not American)
dictionary to know which sound to use. (I recently noticed that my new
German-English dictionary has its English pronunciations in BRP.)
Or as GBS said, it is only necessary for an English speaker to open his mouth
for some other English speaker to hate him.
Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee
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| 1348 |
From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Speakers of British Received Pronunciation need to understand that North
American speakers need to look these words up in a British (not American)
dictionary to know which sound to use.
The phonetic transcriptions used there are from the American Heritage Dictionary;
the transcriptions make the distinction between 'ah', 'awe' and
'on'. In fact, every 'distinction' that is made in Shavian (except
'ian')is made by this book's transcriptions. |
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From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:58am
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Hugh Birkenhead recommends
www.dictionary.com
as a source for British Received Pronunciation.
I can't find a key to their pronunciation markup on their Web site - do they
have one?
It looks the old school dictionary markup that was the usual one in the USA
50 years ago. Does anybody know the name of that markup system, which uses
large numbers of diacritical marks - really impractical to set in type now -
to avoid altering spellings. It's the markup used in a pronouncing King James
Bible.
Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Hey bob... I used to live in Maryville.
Anyway, I have found that I often make a distinction be ah, short o,
and awe. But let's be frank here, we Tennesseeans say grass, path,
pass, castle, master, fast, aunt, half, laugh, AND dance with a short a
as opposed to the ah sound.
My question is, then: Clerk?
If you used ah, wouldn't it be Clark--like the name? as opposed to a
store clerk?
--Star
--- RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
> "ah": father, grass, calm, path, pass, castle, master, fast, aunt,
> balm,
> almond, clerk, half, laugh, vase (pronounced "vahz", not "vayce"). -
> And also
> "dance".
>
> I knew fawthuh and lawf and daunce, but not grawss or fawst or
> cawstle. Guess
> I don't watch enough of those pippy-poo British mystery movies my
> wife loves.
>
> Speakers of British Received Pronunciation need to understand that
> North
> American speakers need to look these words up in a British (not
> American)
> dictionary to know which sound to use. (I recently noticed that my
> new
> German-English dictionary has its English pronunciations in BRP.)
>
> Or as GBS said, it is only necessary for an English speaker to open
> his mouth
> for some other English speaker to hate him.
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville, Tennessee
>
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From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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On 1 May 02, at 8:28, Star Raven wrote:
> My question is, then: Clerk?
> If you used ah, wouldn't it be Clark--like the name? as opposed to a
> store clerk?
In (standard, non-rhotic) RP, both "clerk" and "Clark" are pronunced
like "clahk". The first word doesn't rhyme with "work", even though it
looks as if it should -- it's one of English's strange spellings.
Sort of like the Thames, which is pronounced "Temz", not "Thaymz" or
"Tamez".
Cheers,
Philip
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From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Star writes: >.Hey Bob... I used to live in Maryville.<<
Of course, Maryville, Tennessee (a community to the south of Knoxville) is
pronounced murvle by the locals. - over toward Nashville is Gordonsville,
pronounced gurnjvl. And down past 'Nooga is Whitwell, pronounced whuwwll.
Bob Richmond
Knoxville TN (occasionally pronounced K-Town)
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| 1353 |
From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 5:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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On 1 May 02, at 12:02, RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville TN (occasionally pronounced K-Town)
Hey! K-Town is Kaiserslautern in south-west Germany! (Where there is a
US army base.)
Cheers,
Philip
--
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From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:59pm
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Hi Philip Newton!
>>Hey! K-Town is Kaiserslautern in south-west Germany! (Where there is a US
army base.)<<
Don't I know! I lived there for two years 1953-55, graduated from the
American high school there, and am the president of the Fifties chapter of
the school's alumni association. See my Web pages beginning at
http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/germany.html
The big Army post (there's no such thing as an Army base) west of
Kaiserslautern is called Vogelweh.
Knoxville is occasionally called K-Town. I think the gay community here uses
this name.
Bob Richmond
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| 1355 |
From: Teraiten Sovo <teraiten@y...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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--- usmaak <usmaak@a...> wrote: > You might want to take a
look at the Read_Alphabet group here at
> Yahoo. It is about the Quickscript method of writing. It has
> optional characters that represent the sounds that Shavian does not
> have single characters for. It is pretty interesting stuff.
go to http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/ for more information about
Quickscript and typing in Shavian and Quickscript
>
> -Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rubik67
> To: shavian@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:20 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Questions, and a proposal.
>
>
> I just discovered Shavian writing on the 18th, and by the 20th I
> was
> so royally pissed with standard English spelling I pretty much
> resolved right then and there to bring about the reformation that
>
> Shaw wanted, even if I had to do it solo. However, I have a
> couple of
> questions about the alphabet. First of all, what's the difference
> in
> pronunciation between "o" (short), "ah", and "awe"? Second, how
> do
> you represent the nasal "i" sound in "ing"? It's somewhere
> between
> "ih" and "ee", but it doesn't seem to have any representation
> anywhere.
> Now for the proposal: As cool as the Shavian alphabet is, there
> appears to be one major flaw in it... the letter "x", which is
> pronounced either "ks" or "gz", depending on context. Shavian,
> unfortunately, doesn't have any similar compound, so there are
> occasional words which actually expand in Shavian (for
> example, "exit", "maxim", etc). To correct this, I suggest adding
> a
> couple of new characters to the standard set, which are a
> combination of the "k" and "s" characters for the unvoiced x, and
> a
> combination of "g" and "s" for the voiced version. To create
> these
> new characters, simply add the top of the "s" character to the
> "k"
> character and the bottom of the "s" to the "g" character. The
> little
> loop extension shouldn't be any longer than half the length of
> the
> top third of the Shavian letter space to prevent blending and
> potential confusion (ie. xi with kp and ix with bg). This will
> eliminate the one and only advantage that standard spelling has
> over
> Shavian.
> As for shawalphabet.com's "Shavian", it seems to violate at least
> two
> of Shaw's proposed rules (ie. pleasant to look at, and everything
>
> being written with a single stroke), so I seriously doubt it can
> be
> considered real Shavian. For now, I'm definitely sticking with
> the
> alphabet provided in Androcles. L8r.
>
>
>
>
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Oh, clerk rhyming with work: an er making an er sound, yet another
example as to why we americans are better :)
Just kidding!
--Star
--- Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...> wrote:
> On 1 May 02, at 8:28, Star Raven wrote:
>
> > My question is, then: Clerk?
> > If you used ah, wouldn't it be Clark--like the name? as opposed to
> a
> > store clerk?
>
> In (standard, non-rhotic) RP, both "clerk" and "Clark" are pronunced
> like "clahk". The first word doesn't rhyme with "work", even though
> it
> looks as if it should -- it's one of English's strange spellings.
>
> Sort of like the Thames, which is pronounced "Temz", not "Thaymz" or
> "Tamez".
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@g...>
>
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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maraville by the locals thanks, only k-towners and other yankees or
yankee wannabees call it murvul.
For further resourses, please see the musical "the music man" and the
song Iowa.
thank you very much,
Star
--- RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
> Star writes: >.Hey Bob... I used to live in Maryville.<<
>
> Of course, Maryville, Tennessee (a community to the south of
> Knoxville) is
> pronounced murvle by the locals. - over toward Nashville is
> Gordonsville,
> pronounced gurnjvl. And down past 'Nooga is Whitwell, pronounced
> whuwwll.
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville TN (occasionally pronounced K-Town)
>
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:58am
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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> Knoxville is occasionally called K-Town. I think the gay community
> here uses
> this name.
no, we maravillians call it K-town, but only long after we have left :P
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From: Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Of course we British are somewhat phonetically challenged:
Norwich (Norritch, not Norrwitch)
Leicester (Lester, not Leysester)
Loughborough (Luffburra, not Loogabarooga!!)
But:
Connecticut ('Connetticut')?
Arkansas ('Arkensaw')?
Illinois ('Illanoy')?
Phoneticity lacking somewhat in the leftpondian region as well... :)
The Welsh deserve some credit for
having the guts to name a town
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. At
least they've spelt it phonetically (the concept we
English-speakers can't seem to understand) - think what a
nightmare it would be if it weren't phonetic!! :)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Questions, and a proposal.
Oh, clerk rhyming with work: an er making an er sound, yet another
example as to why we americans are better :)
Just kidding!
--Star
--- Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 1 May 02, at 8:28, Star Raven wrote:
>
> > My question is, then: Clerk?
> > If you used ah, wouldn't it be Clark--like the name? as opposed to
> a
> > store clerk?
>
> In (standard, non-rhotic) RP, both "clerk" and "Clark" are pronunced
> like "clahk". The first word doesn't rhyme with "work", even though
> it
> looks as if it should -- it's one of English's strange spellings.
>
> Sort of like the Thames, which is pronounced "Temz", not "Thaymz" or
> "Tamez".
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton
>
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 2:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Alright, time for me to be snarky...
--- Hugh Birkenhead <h.birkenhead@u...> wrote:
> Of course we British are somewhat phonetically challenged:
> Norwich (Norritch, not Norrwitch)
> Leicester (Lester, not Leysester)
> Loughborough (Luffburra, not Loogabarooga!!)
>
You limeys and your silly names for things, add to Connecticut,
Arkansas, Illinois, Kentucky, Ohio, and many other state names are
derived from Native American names for places. For instance, Kentucky
means "land of blood." Isn't that neat?
> But:
> Connecticut ('Connetticut')?
> Arkansas ('Arkensaw')?
> Illinois ('Illanoy')?
>
> Phoneticity lacking somewhat in the leftpondian region as well... :)
>
Like I said, don't blame us for our pronunciation problems, if
anything, we americans should blame you Brits. Our dialect is derrived
from yours. As are the dialects of Austrailia, New Zealand, and
ebonics.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Ha!
> The Welsh deserve some credit for having the guts to name a town
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. At least
> they've spelt it phonetically (the concept we English-speakers can't
> seem to understand) - think what a nightmare it would be if it
> weren't phonetic!! :)
That's Phonetic? I hate to ask, but it does MEAN something, doesn't it?
Anyway, if you want to complain about the lack of phonetic spelling,
Gaelic and French are BOTH easily worse than English.
Phydeux??
I'm just messin' with you, though, I think British and its dialects are
quite beautiful as a spoken language.
Love and luck,
Star
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From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:54pm
Subject: Re: Questions, and a proposal.
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Of course, in the USA we inherit a lot of English place names with their
orthographic problems - I'm told that Leicester (a town in western North
Carolina) is pronounced lester by some its inhabitants, LEEcester by others)
- and to that we add the orthographic horrors of Native American names. In
the USA, one knows how to pronounce them if one lives in the area. Thus
Coscituate, Massachusetts (kuh-SITCH-a-wit)
Willamette, Oregon (wuh-LAMM-it)
Nacogdoches, Texas (NACK-a-DOACH-is)
Refugio, Texas (ree-FURY-oh - actually Spanish, of course)
Deseret, Utah (DEZZ-a-ret - looks French, but is "Reformed Egyptian"
and don't even get me started on Hawai'i (where I was born).
I've read that the pronunciation of English place names is in many instances
being conformed to the orthography. Is that true? Will Worcestershire become
WAR-cess-ter-SHIRE rather than WUSTasher?
Is the abbreviation "Hants" - and a couple of similar ones - pronounced as
written?
My middle name (my mother's maiden name, unfortunately for my online
security) is Southwick. My New England Southwicks, as well as the big Utah
Mormon Southwick family (we're probably related) pronounce the name as
written, as do the New England place names that derive from it. According to
the BBC pronunciation guide, it can be southwick or suthick depending on
where you are. And the New England progenitor Lawrence Southwick, signing his
will in the mid 17th century, spelled it Sethick.
Some year the USA should divert a few pence from its dubious wars to create a
pronouncing gazetteer of American place names. With glosses in Shavian, of
course.
Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee
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