Carl /kRal/ wants to transliterate the English Bible and the Book of Mormon into Shavian.

A point that hasn't been addressed here: you have to transliterate the very large number (look at Chronicles) of proper names into Shavian, using their received English pronunciations. I would suggesting following the traditional diacritical mark-up in a "pronouncing King James" Bible (does this venerable font have a name? I've never seen one).

Do YOU know how to pronounce Chederlaomer or Jehovah-Jireh?

As this Gentile understands it, the proper names in the Book of Mormon all possess received pronunciations which are recorded in some editions - I wouldn't tackle "Ether" (not the anesthetic, pace Mark Twain) or "Coriantumr" without help!

Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee and Gastonia, North Carolina

RSRICHMOND@aol.com wrote:
> Carl /kRal/ wants to transliterate the English Bible and the Book of
> Mormon into Shavian.
>
> A point that hasn't been addressed here: you have to transliterate the
> very large number (look at Chronicles) of proper names into Shavian,
> using their received English pronunciations. I would suggesting
> following the traditional diacritical mark-up in a "pronouncing King
> James" Bible (does this venerable font have a name? I've never seen one).
>
> Do YOU know how to pronounce Chederlaomer or Jehovah-Jireh?
>
> As this Gentile understands it, the proper names in the Book of Mormon
> all possess received pronunciations which are recorded in some editions
> - I wouldn't tackle "Ether" (not the anesthetic, pace Mark Twain) or
> "Coriantumr" without help!
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville, Tennessee and Gastonia, North Carolina

It's been a problem for me, as I've been working on that very thing, to
figure out what the pronunciation of many of the proper names should be.
  Many of the names are well known, such as Adam (Adam, ·𐑨𐑛𐑩𐑥),
Moses (mOzas, ·𐑥𐑴𐑟𐑩𐑕), Abraham (EbrahAm, ·𐑱𐑚𐑮𐑩𐑣𐑨𐑥), etc.
But what to do with names like:
Elizur
Shedeur
Shelumiel
Zurishaddai
Nahshon
Amminadab
Nethaneel
Zuar
Zebulun
Eliab
Helon
Ephraim
Elishama
Ammihud
Manasseh
Gamaliel
Pedahzur
Abidan
Gideoni
Ahiezer
Ammishaddai
Pagiel
Ocran
Eliasaph
Deuel
Naphtali
Ahira
Enan

And those are just a few of the names I found in Numbers chapter 1!
There are many chapters which contain mostly names, many of them longer
and more involved than those!

The reason I haven't yet decided is because there are several ways to go
about it.  I could use the diacritically marked names found in some
editions of the AV, or I could use the pronunciation most preachers use
for many of the names, or I could use my Strongs concordance, which
gives the traditional ancient Hebrew and Koine (kqnE, ·𐑒𐑶𐑯𐑱) Greek
pronunciations, or I could just leave them in TO and let the reader
decide!  Should I choose one method, use a combination of methods, or
more than one method for each word?

Right now my main concern, though, is in getting software set up to
achieve the best results in the least amount of time.  The Bible is very
large, and transliterating it in html by hand is slow, tedious work and
error prone.  So I've decided to use software to assist me in the effort.

You can see what I've done so far at
http://www.30below.com/~ethanl/shavbible/
It's only a brief sample, it's out of date technically (the markup and
styling need to be redone to make it comply with web standards) and it
needs to be done in UTF-8 instead of ASCII.  I was just learning about
Shavian and web page design when I did most of it, and both my spelling
and my design need some improvement!

--
·𐑰𐑔𐑩𐑯 - Ethan

Hi Karl :0

It wouldn't be that simple.
What about "J". And how would you indicate all the additional
English vowel sounds. I suppose you could use "c", for one of the
other vowel sounds. It looks small like the other vowel letters.
Also,You could use a period within the word to indicate the Adu or
Schwa sound.
Regards, Paul V.

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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Awhile back someone was asking if it was possible to make a
Shavian-like alphabet just as long as the T.O. alphabet.  In reply I
say it's possible though of low grade quality.
> 
> I figure it out last night.  It totaled 22 letters. With the
corresponding letters of:
> 
> a - ash, b - bib, d - dead, e - egg, f - fee, g - gag, h - ha-ha,
i - if, k - kick, l - loll, m - mime, n - nun, o - on, p - peep, r -
roar, s - so, t - tot, u - up, v - vow, w - woe, y - yea, z - zoo.
> 
> The reason I consider this low grade is because it is inadequate
for English and would require a basic spelling reform to make sense
of English.  The Original Shavian and Quickscript are however far
more superior to this glorified spelling reform, for English.
> 
> Anyways, in fun and theory, I rest my case,
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Carl /kRal/
>
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The King James Version is very poetical, and has a relatively small
stack of words.
There are few minor disagreements on small number of words in the
older translations. Supposedly, the new translations are closer to
the original meaning. Anyway,
I suppose I could transliterate a modern translation of the first 5
books of Moses, Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings.
That covers the important stuff from my religous point of view.

Regards, Paul Vandenbrink
______________________-attached-____________________________
--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Hi Paul and others,
> 
> I'm glad you agree with me on certain points of interest.  Yes, I
plan on transliterating the Holy Bible (Old and New Testament).  As
for which version I will first do the King James Version.  Then my
favorite alternate translation th New International Version.  In my
last posting I mentioned the "Standard Works" of my Church (The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)  These include, the
Holy Bible (King James Version), the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine
and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.  [Ethan has a website
concerning a transliteration of the King James Bible into Shavian]
> 
> However, I encourage all Shavian Enthusiast, not of my faith (if
ambitious enough) to transliterate their Sacred Texts, to broaden
the horizion of Shavian.
> 
> And just like you Paul, I write with Shavian in my journal.  I
think my role to the Shavian Community should be to transliterate
books into Shavian.  I hope other Shavian Enthusiasts will take the
opportunaty to make academic contributions to Shavian, so that
Shavian will  no longer be a "dead" alphabet, but have just as much
vitality as T.O..
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Carl /kRal/
>
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
> Hi Carl & the group
> As for the role the Shavian Alphabet should play to literate
English-
> speaking world:
> I find literacy even with the Traditional Orthography (T.O.) to a
> constant challenge to stay up to date.
> That's why I prefer Shavian over the T.O.
> There isn't the struggle to pick up the correct pronunciation.
> A lot of new English word are borrowed from french and have a
variant
> pronunciation (i.e. Ouevre)
> I would like to be able to read as fast with Shavian as with T.O.,
> though there is not enough literature to become super-swift at
> reading Shavian. 
>
> So, what I hoping is that someone will build a program to
> transliterate existing texts into Shavian, so I can more practice.
> It would be nice if their was a newspaper, even.
>
> I am glad to hear that Carl intends to translate the Bible into
> Shavian. A modern translation I hope. The King James has some
funny
> pronunciations.
>
> I also think that this is an ambitious but very worthwhile goal. 
> I think one of the first few steps to exposing the English-
speaking
> world to the benefits of Shavian, is to bring out Shavian books,
and
> then to do all the other stuff it takes to give further exposure
to
> Shavian Alphabet.
> We have to do what we can to propogate and deseminate our favorite
> writing system.
> Hopefully revised enough to understandable by our American
cousins.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > Concerning the role Shavian should play to literate English-
> speaking world: As for me I am highly literate with Traditional
> Orthography (T.O.).  However, I prefer Shavian over T.O..  I would
> like to be just as literate with Shavian as with T.O., though
there
> is not enough literature to become super-literate at reading
> Shavian.  So, what I would like to do is transliterate existing
texts
> into Shavian, once I get an internet-ready computer.  And I will
> first transliterate the "Standard Works" of my Church.  Then I
will
> transliterate just about anything else the Shavian Community would
> like to see into Shavian.
> > 
> > Though, that is ambitious it is a worthwhile goal.  I think one
of
> the first few steps to exposing the English-speaking world to the
> benefits of Shavian, to bring out Shavian books, then the other
stuff
> it takes to give further exposure to Shavian.  And that is what I
> hope we can do to publicize our favorite writing system -- Shavian.
> > 
> > best regards,
> > 
> > Carl /kRal/ 
> >
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Carl /kRal/ notes:

>>I think it's awesome that you plan to transliterate the five books of Moses, Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings from a modern translation. In the Jewish Faith what are these books called together, by the way? [If memory serves well the five books of Moses, are called the Torah.]<<

The Hebrew bible (same books as the Christian bible, without the Apocrypha of course) is traditionally called the Tanach (pronounced tahNAKH), an acronym for Torah (the five books of Moses), Neviim (prophets), and Ketuvim (writings). Ketuvim includes the Psalms, Proverbs, Job (but not Jonah, who's reckoned a Nevi), Chronicles (can't remember which Kings is).

Bob Richmond

Hi Carl

You could call it the written Torah or Chumash. We have an Oral
tradition or commentary on the 5 Books of Moses that we call the Oral
Torah.
Or you could say Tanach which includes all the books up until the
story of Ester and Mordechai. Happy Purim by the way.
We have some pretty good modern English translations by the way.
Regards, Paul V.

P.S. Torah has other meanings. For example, it is also used in the
sense of G-ds Law,
as determined from the 5 books of Moses.
P.P.S. This would be a very long term project for me.
I did transliterate the 23d Psalm into Shavian, tho.
____________________attached_________________________



--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I think it's awesome that you plan to transliterate the five books
of Moses, Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings from a modern translation. 
In the Jewish Faith what are these books called together, by the way?
[If memory serves well the five books of Moses, are called the Torah.]
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Carl /kRal/
>
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
> The King James Version is very poetical, and has a relatively small
> stack of words.
> There are few minor disagreements on small number of words in the
> older translations. Supposedly, the new translations are closer to
> the original meaning. Anyway,
> I suppose I could transliterate a modern translation of the first 5
> books of Moses, Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings.
> That covers the important stuff from my religous point of view.
>
> Regards, Paul Vandenbrink
> ______________________-attached-____________________________
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
wrote:
> > Hi Paul and others,
> > 
> > I'm glad you agree with me on certain points of interest.  Yes, I
> plan on transliterating the Holy Bible (Old and New Testament).  As
> for which version I will first do the King James Version.  Then my
> favorite alternate translation th New International Version.  In my
> last posting I mentioned the "Standard Works" of my Church (The
> Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)  These include, the
> Holy Bible (King James Version), the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine
> and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.  [Ethan has a website
> concerning a transliteration of the King James Bible into Shavian]
> > 
> > However, I encourage all Shavian Enthusiast, not of my faith (if
> ambitious enough) to transliterate their Sacred Texts, to broaden
> the horizion of Shavian.
> > 
> > And just like you Paul, I write with Shavian in my journal.  I
> think my role to the Shavian Community should be to transliterate
> books into Shavian.  I hope other Shavian Enthusiasts will take the
> opportunaty to make academic contributions to Shavian, so that
> Shavian will  no longer be a "dead" alphabet, but have just as much
> vitality as T.O..
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Carl /kRal/
> >
> > paul vandenbrink wrote:
> > Hi Carl & the group
> > As for the role the Shavian Alphabet should play to literate
> English-
> > speaking world:
> > I find literacy even with the Traditional Orthography (T.O.) to a
> > constant challenge to stay up to date.
> > That's why I prefer Shavian over the T.O.
> > There isn't the struggle to pick up the correct pronunciation.
> > A lot of new English word are borrowed from french and have a
> variant
> > pronunciation (i.e. Ouevre)
> > I would like to be able to read as fast with Shavian as with T.O.,
> > though there is not enough literature to become super-swift at
> > reading Shavian. 
> >
> > So, what I hoping is that someone will build a program to
> > transliterate existing texts into Shavian, so I can more practice.
> > It would be nice if their was a newspaper, even.
> >
> > I am glad to hear that Carl intends to translate the Bible into
> > Shavian. A modern translation I hope. The King James has some
> funny
> > pronunciations.
> >
> > I also think that this is an ambitious but very worthwhile goal. 
> > I think one of the first few steps to exposing the English-
> speaking
> > world to the benefits of Shavian, is to bring out Shavian books,
> and
> > then to do all the other stuff it takes to give further exposure
> to
> > Shavian Alphabet.
> > We have to do what we can to propogate and deseminate our
favorite
> > writing system.
> > Hopefully revised enough to understandable by our American
> cousins.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
> > --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
> wrote:
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > 
> > > Concerning the role Shavian should play to literate English-
> > speaking world: As for me I am highly literate with Traditional
> > Orthography (T.O.).  However, I prefer Shavian over T.O..  I
would
> > like to be just as literate with Shavian as with T.O., though
> there
> > is not enough literature to become super-literate at reading
> > Shavian.  So, what I would like to do is transliterate existing
> texts
> > into Shavian, once I get an internet-ready computer.  And I will
> > first transliterate the "Standard Works" of my Church.  Then I
> will
> > transliterate just about anything else the Shavian Community
would
> > like to see into Shavian.
> > > 
> > > Though, that is ambitious it is a worthwhile goal.  I think one
> of
> > the first few steps to exposing the English-speaking world to the
> > benefits of Shavian, to bring out Shavian books, then the other
> stuff
> > it takes to give further exposure to Shavian.  And that is what I
> > hope we can do to publicize our favorite writing system --
Shavian.
> > > 
> > > best regards,
> > > 
> > > Carl /kRal/ 
> > >
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Hi Carl

There are a lot of correspondences between Moses and Joshua.
In much the same way, that Issac had to repeat some of things that
Avraham did.
Joshua had go through many of the same trials and tests of Moses.
Well worth while reading the 6 books together.
Things get pretty violent in these later books. Especially when the
tribe of Benjarmin repeat the crime of the City of Sodom. You have to
take it with a grain of salt and not look back. {Joke}
Anyway, were you going to post tranliterations?
Regards, Paul V.


--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Last month I finished reading the five books of Moses, Now I'm in
Joshua.  I finished reading the 6th chapter of Joshua last night.  My
goal is to read all of the Old Testament in the Christian Bible.
> 
> Anyways, best regards,
> 
> Carl
>
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
> Hi Carl
>
> You could call it the written Torah or Chumash. We have an Oral
> tradition or commentary on the 5 Books of Moses that we call the
Oral
> Torah.
> Or you could say Tanach which includes all the books up until the
> story of Ester and Mordechai. Happy Purim by the way.
> We have some pretty good modern English translations by the way.
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> P.S. Torah has other meanings. For example, it is also used in the
> sense of G-ds Law,
> as determined from the 5 books of Moses.
> P.P.S. This would be a very long term project for me.
> I did transliterate the 23d Psalm into Shavian, tho.
> ____________________attached_________________________
>
>
>
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > I think it's awesome that you plan to transliterate the five
books
> of Moses, Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings from a modern translation. 
> In the Jewish Faith what are these books called together, by the
way?
> [If memory serves well the five books of Moses, are called the
Torah.]
> > 
> > best regards,
> > 
> > Carl /kRal/
> >
> > paul vandenbrink wrote:
> > The King James Version is very poetical, and has a relatively
small
> > stack of words.
> > There are few minor disagreements on small number of words in the
> > older translations. Supposedly, the new translations are closer
to
> > the original meaning. Anyway,
> > I suppose I could transliterate a modern translation of the first
5
> > books of Moses, Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings.
> > That covers the important stuff from my religous point of view.
> >
> > Regards, Paul Vandenbrink
> > ______________________-attached-____________________________
> > --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
> wrote:
> > > Hi Paul and others,
> > > 
> > > I'm glad you agree with me on certain points of interest.  Yes,
I
> > plan on transliterating the Holy Bible (Old and New Testament). 
As
> > for which version I will first do the King James Version.  Then
my
> > favorite alternate translation th New International Version.  In
my
> > last posting I mentioned the "Standard Works" of my Church (The
> > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)  These include, the
> > Holy Bible (King James Version), the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine
> > and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.  [Ethan has a
website
> > concerning a transliteration of the King James Bible into Shavian]
> > > 
> > > However, I encourage all Shavian Enthusiast, not of my faith
(if
> > ambitious enough) to transliterate their Sacred Texts, to broaden
> > the horizion of Shavian.
> > > 
> > > And just like you Paul, I write with Shavian in my journal.  I
> > think my role to the Shavian Community should be to transliterate
> > books into Shavian.  I hope other Shavian Enthusiasts will take
the
> > opportunaty to make academic contributions to Shavian, so that
> > Shavian will  no longer be a "dead" alphabet, but have just as
much
> > vitality as T.O..
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > 
> > > Carl /kRal/
> > >
> > > paul vandenbrink wrote:
> > > Hi Carl & the group
> > > As for the role the Shavian Alphabet should play to literate
> > English-
> > > speaking world:
> > > I find literacy even with the Traditional Orthography (T.O.) to
a
> > > constant challenge to stay up to date.
> > > That's why I prefer Shavian over the T.O.
> > > There isn't the struggle to pick up the correct pronunciation.
> > > A lot of new English word are borrowed from french and have a
> > variant
> > > pronunciation (i.e. Ouevre)
> > > I would like to be able to read as fast with Shavian as with
T.O.,
> > > though there is not enough literature to become super-swift at
> > > reading Shavian. 
> > >
> > > So, what I hoping is that someone will build a program to
> > > transliterate existing texts into Shavian, so I can more
practice.
> > > It would be nice if their was a newspaper, even.
> > >
> > > I am glad to hear that Carl intends to translate the Bible into
> > > Shavian. A modern translation I hope. The King James has some
> > funny
> > > pronunciations.
> > >
> > > I also think that this is an ambitious but very worthwhile
goal. 
> > > I think one of the first few steps to exposing the English-
> > speaking
> > > world to the benefits of Shavian, is to bring out Shavian
books,
> > and
> > > then to do all the other stuff it takes to give further
exposure
> > to
> > > Shavian Alphabet.
> > > We have to do what we can to propogate and deseminate our
> favorite
> > > writing system.
> > > Hopefully revised enough to understandable by our American
> > cousins.
> > >
> > > Regards, Paul V.
> > >
> > > --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
> > wrote:
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > 
> > > > Concerning the role Shavian should play to literate English-
> > > speaking world: As for me I am highly literate with Traditional
> > > Orthography (T.O.).  However, I prefer Shavian over T.O..  I
> would
> > > like to be just as literate with Shavian as with T.O., though
> > there
> > > is not enough literature to become super-literate at reading
> > > Shavian.  So, what I would like to do is transliterate existing
> > texts
> > > into Shavian, once I get an internet-ready computer.  And I
will
> > > first transliterate the "Standard Works" of my Church.  Then I
> > will
> > > transliterate just about anything else the Shavian Community
> would
> > > like to see into Shavian.
> > > > 
> > > > Though, that is ambitious it is a worthwhile goal.  I think
one
> > of
> > > the first few steps to exposing the English-speaking world to
the
> > > benefits of Shavian, to bring out Shavian books, then the other
> > stuff
> > > it takes to give further exposure to Shavian.  And that is what
I
> > > hope we can do to publicize our favorite writing system --
> Shavian.
> > > > 
> > > > best regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Carl /kRal/ 
> > > >
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Hi Hugh
I always Top post even if I have to cut out the section that I am
responding to and paste it into my message.
I will just have to remember to clear away the debris. At the end of
my messages. Sorry for the size of the post.

Hi Bob
Sorry, I will try and stay on topic. Too much religous discussion
going around, and any anyway there are religous sites for all that.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
wrote:
> Off-topic:
>
> Do what I do and top post. That's how Outlook Express has it set
up by
> default and despite the many moaners who hate it, it's a much
better way of
> organising it. That way the message you really WANT to read is
right under
> your nose rather than 28837873425 lines down.
>
> Hugh B
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ethan"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:28 AM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: 10,000+ character messages
>
>
> > Everybody wrote:
> >
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> > >>>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> > >>
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> > >>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>
> > >>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It might be a good idea to remove unnecessary parts from
responses, such
> > as what I left in above for an example.  That way, the messages
don't
> > continue to grow with each response, and we won't have too much
trouble
> > finding the relevant parts of the message!
> >
> > --
> > ·?`°?`"?`©?`¯ - Ethan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Hi Hugh
I always Top post even if I have to cut out the section that I am
responding to and paste it into my message.
I will just have to remember to clear away the debris. At the end of
my messages. Sorry for the size of the post.

Hi Bob
Sorry, I will try and stay on topic. Too much religous discussion
going around, and any anyway there are religous sites for all that.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
wrote:
> Off-topic:
>
> Do what I do and top post. That's how Outlook Express has it set
up by
> default and despite the many moaners who hate it, it's a much
better way of
> organising it. That way the message you really WANT to read is
right under
> your nose rather than 28837873425 lines down.
>
> Hugh B
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ethan"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:28 AM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: 10,000+ character messages
>
>
> > Everybody wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>---------------------------------
> > >>>>>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>>>Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>---------------------------------
> > >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>>>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of
> > >>>
> > >>>Service.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>---------------------------------
> > >>>>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>>Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
> > >>>Click Here
> > >>>
> > >>>---------------------------------
> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>>
> > >>>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > >>
> > >>Service.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>---------------------------------
> > >>>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
> > >>Click Here
> > >>
> > >>---------------------------------
> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>
> > >>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >>
> > >>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > >
> > > Service.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>---------------------------------
> > >>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It might be a good idea to remove unnecessary parts from
responses, such
> > as what I left in above for an example.  That way, the messages
don't
> > continue to grow with each response, and we won't have too much
trouble
> > finding the relevant parts of the message!
> >
> > --
> > ·?`°?`"?`©?`¯ - Ethan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Hi Hugh, Bob, and Paul,

 

Sorry for the unnecessary messages I started.  Anyways, if you want to discuss "unnecessary stuff" try sending messages to shavintel16@yahoo.com or mormonintellectuality@yahoogroups.com.

 

So lets continue our discussion of our favorite writing system -- Shavian.

 

best regards,

 

Carl

paul vandenbrink wrote:

Hi Hugh
I always Top post even if I have to cut out the section that I am
responding to and paste it into my message.
I will just have to remember to clear away the debris. At the end of
my messages. Sorry for the size of the post.

Hi Bob
Sorry, I will try and stay on topic. Too much religous discussion
going around, and any anyway there are religous sites for all that.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
wrote:
> Off-topic:
>
> Do what I do and top post. That's how Outlook Express has it set
up by
> default and despite the many moaners who hate it, it's a much
better way of
> organising it. That way the message you really WANT to read is
right under
> your nose rather than 28837873425 lines down.
>
> Hugh B
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ethan"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:28 AM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: 10,000+ character messages
>
>
> > Everybody wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>---------------------------------
> > >>>>>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>>>Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>---------------------------------
> > >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>>>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of
> > >>>
> > >>>Service.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>---------------------------------
> > >>>>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>>Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
> > >>>Click Here
> > >>>
> > >>>---------------------------------
> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>>
> > >>>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > >>
> > >>Service.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>---------------------------------
> > >>>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
> > >>Click Here
> > >>
> > >>---------------------------------
> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>   To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
> > >>
> > >>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >>shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >>
> > >>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > >
> > > Service.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>---------------------------------
> > >>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It might be a good idea to remove unnecessary parts from
responses, such
> > as what I left in above for an example.  That way, the messages
don't
> > continue to grow with each response, and we won't have too much
trouble
> > finding the relevant parts of the message!
> >
> > --
> > ·?`°?`"?`©?`¯ - Ethan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Hi Carl
The Ikonbord at www.shavian.org is still available.
have you tried it out yet.
You can set up new posts for each Chapter. It allows you to edit
Shavian script even after it has been posted.
I started a transliteration of Huckleberry Finn, there.
No Problemo.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> There are two ways that I could publicize my transliterations.
[both require that I have an internet-ready computer of my own.]  1.
Get an agent and publish my transliterations into hard copys (printed
copys/book form). 2. Get my own website and post my transliterations
there.  So far these two are long term goals because currently I
don't have a job in which to buy an internet-ready computer.  Sorry
for this!
> 
> anyways, Paul, your a good friend,
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Carl
>
>

Hi Carl
The forum is very versatile. You can post in English letters in the
Shaw Section as long as you put in the appropriate letter. You will
still see it as a Roman letter, but anyone who has downloaded a Shaw
font, will see it in Shavian. The font online documentation will
show you what the appropriate keyboard mapping is to type the
appropriate key to represent Shavian character set.
adu = a
ash = A
ah =  y
aw =  Y
yew = j
etc.
And
nQ iz H tFm fP Yl gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.
would be Shavian for
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Let me know, if you need more info.
P.P.S. There is an English section of the Forum where you can ask
questions.

___________________________regards__________________



--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Thank you for telling me about posting at www.shavian.org.  I'll
do that when I can.  Is it possible to post there if one does not
have a font, (but puts in the right coded letters.).
> 
> Anyways, I won't have time to transliterate at the library (30-60
minute limit) if that's possible.  That best I can do for the
Shavian Community is started transliterating when I attain the
proper equipment. (Internet-ready Computer, with Shavian Fonts.)
> So. I would love so very much to help transliterate as many books
into Shavian. [The first ones I'll work on are the Standard Works of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Holy Bible (KJV),
Book of Mormon (Another Testament of Jesus Christ), The Doctrine and
Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. However, I must receive
permission from the First Presidency of the the Church to publish it
when I complete the transliteration.]  However, due to as the insert
says it probably be best if I publish at www.shavian.org a novel of
the Shavian Communities choice, they would like to see in Shavian.
[Any Ideas?]
> 
> any way,
> 
> best of luck,
> 
> Carl Gerald Easton (Future Transliterator of Books into Shavian)
> 
>
>
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
> Hi Carl
> The Ikonbord at www.shavian.org is still available.
> have you tried it out yet.
> You can set up new posts for each Chapter. It allows you to edit
> Shavian script even after it has been posted.
> I started a transliteration of Huckleberry Finn, there.
> No Problemo.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > There are two ways that I could publicize my transliterations.
> [both require that I have an internet-ready computer of my own.] 
1.
> Get an agent and publish my transliterations into hard copys
(printed
> copys/book form). 2. Get my own website and post my
transliterations
> there.  So far these two are long term goals because currently I
> don't have a job in which to buy an internet-ready computer. 
Sorry
> for this!
> > 
> > anyways, Paul, your a good friend,
> > 
> > best regards,
> > 
> > Carl
> >
> >
>
>
>
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