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From: carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:09pm
Subject: What Shavian is to.
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Hi Folks,
Today I decided to post what Shavian is to. (i.e. x is to y as a is to b).
1. Shavian is to T.O. as the metric system is to English measurement system.
2. Shavian is to T.O. as the Arabic numerals is to Roman numerals.
That's all I can think of so far so if the is any other ones let me know. (Okay.)
Best of Regards,
Carl, GkRal Do you Yahoo!?
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| 2894 |
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:07pm
Subject: Re: What Shavian is to.
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Hi Carl
Here is #3.
3. Shavian is to T.O. as a Trailbike is to an SUV running low on
gasoline.
Regards, Paul V.
--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Today I decided to post what Shavian is to. (i.e. x is to y as a
is to b).
>
> 1. Shavian is to T.O. as the metric system is to English
measurement system.
> 2. Shavian is to T.O. as the Arabic numerals is to Roman numerals.
>
> That's all I can think of so far so if the is any other ones let
me know. (Okay.)
>
> Best of Regards,
>
> Carl, GkRal
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
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| 2895 |
From: carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: What Shavian is to.
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Hi Paul,
Here is #4.
4. Shavian is to T.O. as a Word Processer is to a Typewriter.
Regards, Carl E. paul vandenbrink wrote: Hi Carl
Here is #3.
3. Shavian is to T.O. as a Trailbike is to an SUV running low on
gasoline.
Regards, Paul V.
--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Today I decided to post what Shavian is to. (i.e. x is to y as a
is to b).
>
> 1. Shavian is to T.O. as the metric system is to English
measurement system.
> 2. Shavian is to T.O. as the Arabic numerals is to Roman numerals.
>
> That's all I can think of so far so if the is any other ones let
me know. (Okay.)
>
> Best of Regards,
>
> Carl, GkRal
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
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| 2896 |
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:11pm
Subject: Re: What Shavian is to (enhancement)
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Hi Carl
> Here is an enhanced #4.
> 4. Shavian is to T.O. as a Word Processer is to a Typewriter with
sticky keys.
Regards, Paul vandenbrink
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
> Hi Carl
> Here is #3.
> 3. Shavian is to T.O. as a Trailbike is to an SUV running low on
> gasoline.
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Today I decided to post what Shavian is to. (i.e. x is to y as a
> is to b).
> >
> > 1. Shavian is to T.O. as the metric system is to English
> measurement system.
> > 2. Shavian is to T.O. as the Arabic numerals is to Roman numerals.
> >
> > That's all I can think of so far so if the is any other ones let
> me know. (Okay.)
> >
> > Best of Regards,
> >
> > Carl, GkRal
> >
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
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| 2897 |
From: carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: What Shavian is to (enhancement)
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Hi Paul,
lol, your funny.
regards, Carl E. paul vandenbrink wrote: Hi Carl
> Here is an enhanced #4.
> 4. Shavian is to T.O. as a Word Processer is to a Typewriter with
sticky keys.
Regards, Paul vandenbrink
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
> Hi Carl
> Here is #3.
> 3. Shavian is to T.O. as a Trailbike is to an SUV running low on
> gasoline.
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Today I decided to post what Shavian is to. (i.e. x is to y as a
> is to b).
> >
> > 1. Shavian is to T.O. as the metric system is to English
> measurement system.
> > 2. Shavian is to T.O. as the Arabic numerals is to Roman numerals.
> >
> > That's all I can think of so far so if
the is any other ones let
> me know. (Okay.)
> >
> > Best of Regards,
> >
> > Carl, GkRal
> >
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
Do you Yahoo!?
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| 2898 |
From: carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: What Shavian is to (enhancement)
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Hi Paul,
Here is #5,
Shavian is to T.O. as a Digital Watch is to a Sundial.
regards,
Carl E. paul vandenbrink wrote: Hi Carl
> Here is an enhanced #4.
> 4. Shavian is to T.O. as a Word Processer is to a Typewriter with
sticky keys.
Regards, Paul vandenbrink
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
> Hi Carl
> Here is #3.
> 3. Shavian is to T.O. as a Trailbike is to an SUV running low on
> gasoline.
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, carl easton
wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Today I decided to post what Shavian is to. (i.e. x is to y as a
> is to b).
> >
> > 1. Shavian is to T.O. as the metric system is to English
> measurement system.
> > 2. Shavian is to T.O. as the Arabic numerals is to Roman numerals.
> >
> > That's all I can think of so far so if
the is any other ones let
> me know. (Okay.)
> >
> > Best of Regards,
> >
> > Carl, GkRal
> >
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shavian-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
Do you Yahoo!?
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| 2899 |
From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:04pm
Subject: Wow, it's been a long time
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It really has been a while since I've been on this group. I have a lot of catching up to
do. I hope nobody missed me too much. *crickets chirping* Nope, guess not.
Anyway, I brought up the topic of Shavian on shirts a while back, and I've decided to
go through with it. I'm going to create a shop on CafePress [http://
www.cafepress.com] and put Shavian text on all sorts of things. I'll be glad to take
requests, too. I can do some interesting effects with Photoshop or Illustrator.
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From: Troy Eckhardt <YahooGroups@B...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 0:35am
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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I think if you have the knack, it's a great idea.
Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
To: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: [shavian] Wow, it's been a long time
> It really has been a while since I've been on this group. I have a lot of
catching up to
> do. I hope nobody missed me too much. *crickets chirping* Nope, guess
not.
>
> Anyway, I brought up the topic of Shavian on shirts a while back, and I've
decided to
> go through with it. I'm going to create a shop on CafePress [http://
> www.cafepress.com] and put Shavian text on all sorts of things. I'll be
glad to take
> requests, too. I can do some interesting effects with Photoshop or
Illustrator.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:47am
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Eckhardt" <YahooGroups@B...> wrote:
> I think if you have the knack, it's a great idea.
>
> Troy
Thanks. I hope I have the knack. I've started on it just to see what happens. So,
here's the URL: http://www.cafeshops.com/shawstudio
Let me know if I spelled anything wrong. I know I had to mess it up somewhere . . .
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| 2902 |
From: Bob Schmertz <rschmertz@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:18am
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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Joe incurred the wrath of Bob on Mar 27, by saying
>--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Eckhardt" <YahooGroups@B...> wrote:
>> I think if you have the knack, it's a great idea.
>>
>> Troy
>
>
>Thanks. I hope I have the knack. I've started on it just to see what happens. So,
>here's the URL: http://www.cafeshops.com/shawstudio
>
>Let me know if I spelled anything wrong. I know I had to mess it up
>somewhere . . .
Yes... you spelled "the" in "Kiss the cook" as "He", the second letter
being the sound in "pet". The correct phonetic spelling would be "Ha"
(shwa as the second letter), or simply the appreviated form, which is
the consonant alone.
Nice work, though, especially the "Journal"!
--
Cheers,
Bob Schmertz
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| 2903 |
From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, Bob Schmertz <rschmertz@s...> wrote:
> Yes... you spelled "the" in "Kiss the cook" as "He", the second letter
> being the sound in "pet". The correct phonetic spelling would be "Ha"
> (shwa as the second letter), or simply the appreviated form, which is
> the consonant alone.
ACK! I knew I'd do something like that! It figures that it wasn't even a mistake due to
my incredible ineptitude with Shavian (and I can't say how incredible that is), but
rather a careless mistake resulting from my wont for T.O.! Ahh!
> Nice work, though, especially the "Journal"!
Thanks. ^_^
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From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:54pm
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...> wrote:
> ACK! I knew I'd do something like that! It figures that it wasn't even a mistake due
to
> my incredible ineptitude with Shavian (and I can't say how incredible that is), but
> rather a careless mistake resulting from my wont for T.O.! Ahh!
I've finally fixed my error (one down). I'd gladly appreciate any help in identifying and
destroying any others I may have (i.e. probably) made.
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| 2905 |
From: Ph. D. <phild@a...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:04pm
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Ph. D." <phild@a...> wrote:
> So who sells the stuff at this other site?
I really don't know, but "Spelling reform now!" and a chart of the alphabet don't really
seem too interesting, do they?
I think the first is too forceful, and the second is pointless. Who's going to learn
Shavian from a shirt or mousepad?
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| 2907 |
From: Ethan <ethanl@3...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:18am
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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Joe wrote:
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...> wrote:
>
>>ACK! I knew I'd do something like that! It figures that it wasn't even a mistake due
>
> to
>
>>my incredible ineptitude with Shavian (and I can't say how incredible that is), but
>>rather a careless mistake resulting from my wont for T.O.! Ahh!
>
>
> I've finally fixed my error (one down). I'd gladly appreciate any help in identifying and
> destroying any others I may have (i.e. probably) made.
Perhaps an error, perhaps not - Did you intend to write *bFbI* (BYE-bee)
and not *bEbI* (BAY-bee) on the infants' clothing? I believe some
people say it that way, but I thought it was a rather less-used
pronunciation.
Ethan
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| 2908 |
From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:13am
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> Perhaps an error, perhaps not - Did you intend to write *bFbI* (BYE-bee)
> and not *bEbI* (BAY-bee) on the infants' clothing? I believe some
> people say it that way, but I thought it was a rather less-used
> pronunciation.
Ahh! >_< I'm really no good at this. I'm changing that, now. I think it did look
better as *bFbi*, though.
In any case, that's not how I pronounce it. It's just been so long since I've used
Shavian, I can't keep these things straight.
By the way, I always confuse "ah" and "awe". Did I mess those up, too?
Or maybe I'm just dyslexic. ~_~
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| 2909 |
From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:02am
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" (that's me!) <allegrox_2000@y...> wrote:
> Ahh! >_< I'm really no good at this. I'm changing that, now. I think it did look
> better as *bFbi*, though.
Okay, one more mistake fixed. I still need to make some changes to the poster.
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| 2910 |
From:  Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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[snip]
> Okay, one more mistake fixed. I still need to make some changes to the
poster.
Crikey - only just noticed this! Haven't been keeping up with the Shaw group
recently. What you've done looks wonderful and it'd really be great to see
some of these clothing items on the streets.
BUT - I should point out perhaps (hope it's not too late) that "Shaw" uses
'awe' and not 'ah' - like "shore" but without the 'r'...
Hugh B
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| 2911 |
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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P.S. I like the Shaw poster - it's great stuff and I'd like one for myself!
<nitpicking>
[dIpends] perhaps could be [dipends] but it doesn't matter
[anrIzanabal] should be [unrIzanabal] with an initial 'u'
</nitpicking>
:)
Hugh B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
To: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:02 AM
Subject: [shavian] Re: Wow, it's been a long time
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" (that's me!) <allegrox_2000@y...>
wrote:
>
> > Ahh! >_< I'm really no good at this. I'm changing that, now. I think
it did look
> > better as *bFbi*, though.
>
> Okay, one more mistake fixed. I still need to make some changes to the
poster.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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| 2912 |
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:33pm
Subject: Unicode
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|
(FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)
Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?
Has Shavian been allocated some
permanent points, and if so do we have a font that has the Shavian
characters at those permanent points?
If the fonts we have have the Shavian
characters in the old 'temporary' positions, should it be an easy
matter to move them to the permanent ones?
Thanks
Hugh B |
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| 2913 |
From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> P.S. I like the Shaw poster - it's great stuff and I'd like one for myself!
Thank you!
> [dIpends] perhaps could be [dipends] but it doesn't matter
> [anrIzanabal] should be [unrIzanabal] with an initial 'u'
I say [dIpendz], though I could change the first vowel to better show the actual stress.
And I wrote [anrIzanabal] because, for some reason, when I said it to myself, I didn't
stress the initial vowel. I had it the other way, and then I changed it . . . . I think I'm
really losing my mind.
Joe
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| 2914 |
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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As an aside... (I know I know I've said it before) I still think we should
use the American Heritage Dictionary as a guide for pronunciations because
it is a perfect compromise of British and American Englishes. It uses
rhoticisms, it features indications of when to use up/ado, when to use
err/array, when to use ah/awe, and it's easily checkable via
www.dictionary.com. Check it out...
So basically, when anyone isn't sure about how a word should be spelled when
writing something for mass consumption, simply look it up there.
Hugh B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
To: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: [shavian] Re: Wow, it's been a long time
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > P.S. I like the Shaw poster - it's great stuff and I'd like one for
myself!
>
> Thank you!
>
> > [dIpends] perhaps could be [dipends] but it doesn't matter
> > [anrIzanabal] should be [unrIzanabal] with an initial 'u'
>
> I say [dIpendz], though I could change the first vowel to better show the
actual stress.
> And I wrote [anrIzanabal] because, for some reason, when I said it to
myself, I didn't
> stress the initial vowel. I had it the other way, and then I changed it .
. . . I think I'm
> really losing my mind.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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| 2915 |
From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:16pm
Subject: Re: Unicode
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I believe they're in their permanent positions. I'm not sure, though. For Unicode
Shavian (when I use it, which is rarely) I use a font called Andagii. Information on the
encoding and the font can be found at http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/
shavian.html.
--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> (FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)
>
> Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?
>
> Has Shavian been allocated some permanent points, and if so do we have a font
that has the Shavian characters at those permanent points?
>
> If the fonts we have have the Shavian characters in the old 'temporary' positions,
should it be an easy matter to move them to the permanent ones?
>
> Thanks
> Hugh B
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| 2916 |
From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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I learned it out of my senior english book... But the mousepad or a
poster might be good for us forgetful ppl.
--Star
--- Joe <allegrox_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Ph. D." <phild@a...> wrote:
> > So who sells the stuff at this other site?
>
>
> I really don't know, but "Spelling reform now!" and a chart of the
> alphabet don't really
> seem too interesting, do they?
>
> I think the first is too forceful, and the second is pointless.
> Who's going to learn
> Shavian from a shirt or mousepad?
>
>
=====
Why is it always me and the burning death?
__________________________________
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http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
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| 2917 |
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:57pm
Subject: American Heritage Learner's Dictionary
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Hi Hugh
I picked up a copy of the American Heritage Learner's
Dictionary for $12.95 Canadian Dollars and it is very nice. It
matches up the sounds of its phonetic alphabet with the I.P.A
Alphabet which is very useful. It seems to use a slightly simplified
American standard pronuciation, which matches up quite nicely with
the CUT Shaw Alphabet for Americans.
All in all the best choice for everyone in the group.
Regards, Paul V,
P.S. Hi Hugh. Speaking of picking things up. Did you want a copy of
the new Revised Shaw Teaching Guide. Send me your address off-line
and I will mail it to you. To big to Email.
_____________________attached___________________________________
--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
wrote:
> As an aside... (I know I know I've said it before) I still think we
should
> use the American Heritage Dictionary as a guide for pronunciations
because
> it is a perfect compromise of British and American Englishes. It
uses
> rhoticisms, it features indications of when to use up/ado, when to
use
> err/array, when to use ah/awe, and it's easily checkable via
> www.dictionary.com. Check it out...
>
> So basically, when anyone isn't sure about how a word should be
spelled when
> writing something for mass consumption, simply look it up there.
>
> Hugh B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
> To: <shavian@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:06 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: Wow, it's been a long time
>
>
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| 2918 |
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:14pm
Subject: Re: American Heritage Learner's Dictionary
|
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Hi Carl
I finished the Shaw transliteration of "The Tower of Babel" on Hugh's
Ikonboard and I noticed some minor variations between our
translations of the story. Nothing too significant. The theme of G-ds
ultimate power still comes thru. Anyway let me know if you have any
questions.
Regards, Paul V.
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| 2919 |
From: Scott Harrison <scott@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Unicode
|
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On Mar 28, 2004, at 08:33, Hugh Birkenhead wrote:
> (FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)
>
> Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?
>
> Has Shavian been allocated some permanent points, and if so do we have
> a font that has the Shavian characters at those permanent points?
>
> If the fonts we have have the Shavian characters in the old
> 'temporary' positions, should it be an easy matter to move them to the
> permanent ones?
>
>
Shavian has been assigned its permanent Unicode points starting in
version 4.0 of Unicode. There are a couple of fonts out there that
handle Shavian at those points -- Andagii and ESL_Gothic_Unicode come
to mind right now. Moving characters in a font can be problematic and
should only be done with a font tool I would imagine. However, it is
easy enough to get fonts with the characters in the proper positions.
If you want specific fonts you may want to talk with the font creators
to have them produce fonts with the proper code points.
The major issue will be to convert documents already in Unicode at the
temporary points over to their final points, or to convert ASCII
documents over to Unicode.
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From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:07pm
Subject: Re: Wow, it's been a long time
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--- In shavian@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> I learned it out of my senior english book... But the mousepad or a
> poster might be good for us forgetful ppl.
> --Star
Very true. Maybe I should put a chart on a mini poster or something.
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From: Joe <allegrox_2000@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 30, 2004 0:44am
Subject: The Periodic Table
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As I was sitting in chemistry class today, I looked up at the periodic table and
wondered what it would look like in Shavian. I thought it would be rather interesting
to see all the elements marked with Shavian letters. That's when I decided I have to
make one.
But then I started thinking about how I would actually go about assigning letters to
the elements. This is where it gets complicated.
In case anyone is not well acquainted with it, the Periodic table lists all the known
elements in order of their atomic number (number of protons), each having a one- or
two-letter "symbol" that represents it. In the current system, the first letter is always
capitalized, the second (if there is one) is always lowercase. This makes it easy to tell
where one symbol ends and the next begins because each starts with a capital letter.
You probably already knew that, but I'm just making sure. And it's a good lead-in.
^_~
Anyway, this presents a problem for transliteration, since Shavian has only one case.
I even thought of the idea of starting every symbol with a tall or deep letter, and
making any additional letter short. But it just doesn't work with some elements.
Namer does could be used, perhaps, but that could cause confusion with the
hydration dot, which is used to show how much water is in a crystal.
But I thought maybe they should just each have exactly two letters. Then there would
be no confusion. I'm not really sure, though. It'll be interesting to see what others
think about it.
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From: Ph. D. <phild@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:25am
Subject: Re: Unicode
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Shaw has been assigned permanent code points starting
at hex 10450. This is in plane 1 which means that more
then two bytes are needed for each character.
I currently use Fontographer 4.1 which does not recognize
code points greater than hex FFFF. Ethan has offered to
move the characters in my fonts to the correct code points.
I'm currently in the process of smoothing the curves in my
fonts, but I've just been too busy with my day job and my
other interests to get very far.
--Phillip Driscoll
----- Originala Mesagxo -----
Sendita: Lundon, 29an de marto 2004, 12:23 ptm
Temo: Re: [shavian] Unicode
On Mar 28, 2004, at 08:33, Hugh Birkenhead wrote:
(FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)<>smaller><>fontfamily>
Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?<>smaller><>fontfamily>
Has
Shavian been allocated some permanent points, and if so do we have a
font that has the Shavian characters at those permanent
points?<>smaller><>fontfamily>
If the
fonts we have have the Shavian characters in the old 'temporary'
positions, should it be an easy matter to move them to the permanent
ones? Shavian has been assigned its permanent Unicode
points starting in version 4.0 of Unicode. There are a couple of fonts
out there that handle Shavian at those points -- Andagii and
ESL_Gothic_Unicode come to mind right now. Moving characters in a font
can be problematic and should only be done with a font tool I would
imagine. However, it is easy enough to get fonts with the characters in
the proper positions. If you want specific fonts you may want to talk
with the font creators to have them produce fonts with the proper code
points.
The major issue will be to convert documents already in
Unicode at the temporary points over to their final points, or to
convert ASCII documents over to Unicode.
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